SaiMecha 2012 – RaGARok Round 1

July 10, 2012

The final phase of Sai Mecha 2012 begins now with the first RaGARok round. These matchups will set the tone for the remainder of the tournament, as these fan favorites clash in the arena. Here is ghostlightning with your contestants’ writeups. Voting is open until 23:59 eastern time on July 14 (Saturday.)

MATCH NUMBER ONE

Gurren Lagann vs. VF-25 Messiah

Two of the best-in-class examples of their respective traditions. Gurren Lagann is a combining super robot of the Gunbuster tradition; using only 2 units to form. However, the brilliance of this is the near limitless expansion/upgradability as the Lagann is primarily a control/power source unit that becomes the basis of further versions — which respective sizes result in ridiculous ratios. This requires the entire robot to control the larger one by sitting in the cockpit in the lower center torso of the larger unit. Continue this, matroshka doll style until you reach the size of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann who uses spiral galaxies as stepping stones.

The VF-25 Messiah is the ultimate real robot. Now, for some people that means the most realistic real robot, but that’s just silly. The real robot tradition is more fantastic than the super robot tradition because the expectation for real robots is to be realistic. The fair and desirable expectation for real robots are excellent portrayals in military contexts: soldiering and battles as opposed to the super robot tradition of pro-wrestling matches. As such, the VF-25 is the last word in versatility. The base unit has three forms: spacecraft fighter/gunship/infantry. By default it can be deployed in a variety of missions limited only by the abilities of its pilot. Beyond this, the modular mission packs (armor/strike/super) can expand its assault capabilities. Finally, there are actual design variants that allow for specific roles: tactical leader/sniper/reconnaissance. Thus, a single team with all variants can perform the mission catalog of an entire battle group: recon/patrol/search & destroy/skirmish/assault; in all environments except aquatic.

Super vs. Real, who will you kiss?

MATCH NUMBER TWO

VF-1 vs. Turn A Gundam

The VF-1 is the original Variable Fighter. From its core design the concept of versatility plays out incredibly well. It is not as versatile as its 25th design iteration (as expected), but the results and impact of this design is the fact that the VF-25 is such a successful design. It’s the legacy of the VF-1. Thus, it is useful to discuss its history. It mainly saw action in the great Space War against the Zentraedi wherein it routinely had to engage enemies at greater than 3:1 odds. The SDF Macross had a total complement of 300 or so VFs and it routinely engaged Zentraedi battle groups at greater than 3:1 odds wherein each ship carried 1,000 fighter units of various makes (mostly Regulds), piloted by soldiers genetically engineered, cultured, and bred for fighting.

The Turn A Gundam is a notable “tweener” unit straddling the divide between the real and super traditions of robot anime. Being a Gundam it’s milieu is a militarized conflict involving armies deployed to secure strategic and tactical objectives and fighting in battles and/or operations. The Turn A itself however, is a unit with god-like powers that is linked to the technological apocalypse that is part of the history of its narrative. For a Gundam it is also quite large, and would tower over many titular units in other Gundam shows, and has the weapons array reminiscent of ’70s super robots.

Real vs. Unreal, do you like your categories neat or messy?

MATCH NUMBER THREE

Zaku II vs. Gunbuster

The Zaku is the grunt’s grunt mecha. It’s how it’s beloved, but it didn’t actually start out that way. What it was is a groundbreaking piece of technology that allowed Zeon to take over the Earth Sphere at the onset of the One Year War. Relative to the aircraft, tanks, and other mechanized units… it was NOT a grunt. It was the shiny knight unit. The EFSF’s GM is actually gruntier in that it is a less-developed piece of technology. It just overwhelmed the Zeon armies with sheer numbers. Now that’s grunty. The Zaku II gets this grunt-worship because primarily due to the Gundam, who is a super prototype kind of unit that stands in very stark contrast with the Zaku. That, and the eventual development of MS variants that did more special roles, or simply outperformed the Zaku.

The Gunbuster… this is no Zaku boy, this is no Zaku.

[Affectionately regarded as the "God" of Zakus due to its being a ginormous super robot that's firmly grounded in real robot sensibilities and aesthetics, but precisely because of its mono-eye sensor that characterizes not only the Zaku, but most of the Zeon robot designs.]

MATCH NUMBER FOUR

Evangelion Unit 01 vs. YF/VF-19

It’s a giant god-like machine, whose silhouette is more reminiscent of a powered suit in the tradition of Ultraman than it is of chunky super robots. However, for most of its run defending Tokyo-3, it was governed with far stricter limitations compared to most real robots, most notably the requirement to be hooked up to a power supply and having such a limited power storage capacity. In many ways, its highlight moments are characterized by it turning into something more monstrous than the monsters it fought. In terms of the humanoid fighting style it’s far more closer to wrestling than the more karate-based styles of 70’s super robots.

The YF-19 is the missing link between the VF-1 and the VF-25 units. Much of the current technological features and capabilities of the VF-25 were first featured in the YF-19 prototype: capablity of carrying a standalone superdimensinal fold device, pin-point barrier, and the departure from the battloid silhouette that exposes the fighter cockpit in front of the lower center torso of the robot. What is notable in the design itself its its swept-forward wings in Valkyrie mode. It is a powerful machine that won the contract for the next generation of mass-produced VFs in Macross. [It also formed the basis for Basara's custom concert mecha...take that as you will. -EO]

Voting

 

BONUS ROUND

Trailers and intros to jog your memories or introduce you to the shows

ExoSquad

Megas XLR

Gobots

The Iron Giant

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45 Responses to “SaiMecha 2012 – RaGARok Round 1”

  1. Anya said

    VOTE ALL THE VALKYRIES!

  2. R1CK_D0M said

    YO MEGAS BITCH. also damn turn a vs vf-1 was hard. Went turn a because you didn’t specify which model type of the vf-1

    • For mecha that have many variants with only minor changes (structurally and in terms of systems) one entry covers them all. The VF-1, VF-25, and Zaku II contestants represent the entirety of their designs, including the VF-1S, the MS-06J, etc etc. Just for future reference.

  3. schneider said

    Chicks dig giant robots!

  4. PP said

    FUCK YES EXOSQUAD !

  5. Turambar said

    OH for fuck sake I don’t know man. VF-1 over Turn A and Gunbuster over Zaku, sure. But how the fuck do you choose the other two.

  6. Andaer said

    Gurren Lagann
    Turn A
    Zaku
    Evangelion Unit 1

    Also, Chicks dig giant robots!

  7. [CC] Amuro_Ray said

    Gurren Lagann
    VF-1
    Zaku
    VF-19
    Mega XLR.

    Bring it

  8. Matt Wells said

    REMEMBER THE GETTER. Supers all the way, with apologies to the VF-1. Turn A is the original RX-78-2 concept taken to it’s ideological extremity: a genuinely super robot in a nominally real robot context. The VF-1 might have garnered more of my favour had the antics of its fans not cheapened Sai-Mecha with sub-par Valkyrie designs and hedonistic hippie worship.

    And Megas XLR, because even racist weeaboos must recognise it’s greatness.

    • What a load of butthurt crap. VF-25 is the pinnacle of real robot tech in a real robot context, which for a real robot fan, is better than a super robot in a real robot context. Sorry Gundams. Sure other robots are ‘realer’ e.g. HAVWC or however it’s spelled, but any VF will smoke that fucker even if it had a blindfolded, fingerless Getter pilot in the cockpit pulling the trigger.

      The Turn-A by itself isn’t inspiring, as it’s an overpowered super for its show, but Kakizaki in a trainer VF would obliterate that fucker. It doesn’t even broadcast Minovsky particles. Even dumbass Kakizaki can Itano Circus its ass from above the clouds while it hits itself lobbing rocks up the sky.

      If I wanted a super robot in a real robot context… I already have Gunbuster.

      Wash your hands before you wipe your tears. It’s been holding too much ass.

      • Reid said

        PFFFFT no Variable Fighter can beat the Turn A. What you smokin’ over there in the Philippines, Ghost?

      • You wait for the target lock to work… OH SHIT, IT DOES WORK. NO MINOVSKY INTERFERENCE. Fire missiles, OH SHIT NO I-FIELD, AND EVEN IF THERE WAS, IT DON’T STOP NO MISSILES end of story.

        Idiot.

      • Matt Wells said

        Training VFs don’t HAVE weapons, cunt-mongrel. Watch “Do You Remember Love?” for the 80th time and you may notice how Hikaru has no weapons on his machine when the Zentradi ambush them on Saturn. You know, if you have your eyes open this time.

        SILLY GHOSTLIGHTNING, GUNBUSTER IS A SUPER ZAKU, I WANT A SUPER GUNDAM!

        And Kakizaki is a low blow against Loran/Laura and you know it. That feckless dipshit couldn’t hit a Koenig Monster with the Macross Cannon. Codpiece cockpits are immune to your hating. HOPE YOU ENJOY THE MOUTHWASH I SENT YOU TO CLEAN OUT THE TASTE OF KAWAMORI SPUNK FROM YOUR TEETH.

      • DUMBASS, then put some missiles on it. You’re going to tell me that it can’t be done? If Corni fucking Nander can jury rig a rocket punch onto 3 Kapools, a flight crew can load missiles to a training VF.

        Kakizaki can hit some slow-ass running Turn-A with his eyes plucked out.

        Moron, TURN A IS ONE OF MANY SUPER GUNDAMS, ALONG WITH STRIKE FREEDOM, 00 RAISER, QANT, etc.

        Now go back to your corner and cry.

      • Reid said

        Wrawng again, Ghosty. Turn A can teleport and is POWERED by an I-field. Besides that, only the limited knowledge of how it works and the desire of its pilot to avoid killing people necessarily keeps it from shooting enemies from as far away as other planets. Turn A is built around super advanced technology reverse engineered from the Turn X (who may or may not be the children of the colonists that flee the Earth Sphere to find peace and contentment following Gundam AGE…) and could probably just swipe missiles from the sky with ease. No way in heck a measly F-15 is going to stop a 20-meter super robot that reverted the human race back to the Stone Age just ‘cuz. In the grand scheme of anime sci-fi junk it’s 1. Ideon 2. Gurren Lagann 3. Turn A Gundam 4. Eva 01/Gamera 5. GaoGaiGar.

      • I FEEELDS DON’T STOP MISSILES STILL DEAD

      • Reid said

        Then the spinning beam sabres would. Even though you’re totally wrong about I-Fields. Even though Turn A has all kinds of hammerspace in its chest that could be used to store CIWS for shooting down missiles. Even though it could teleport out of the way. Even though its body can repair all the damage done to it. Even though the teensy missiles fired by a VF are probably not strong enough to damage it. Etc. etc. etc.

      • 1 missile is more than enough. I don’t even need to mention reaction warheads. Nice try.

      • whatshtisthis said

        Spam reaction warheads on the Turn A, the heat should be able to melt it. Then we make more VF-1s from the melted metal.

      • bullet said

        Wow… this is is a constructive argument.

      • This is Sai Mecha. This is permissable.

      • If the VF-1 had access to every Macross technology, then it can be equipped with MDEs, I wonder what would happen if Turn A is hit by MDEs.

      • JW said

        With all due respect, Ghost, and not to diminish the obvious superiority of the VF-1, but Kakizaki could at best boast about doing the things you’ve mentioned to the Turn-A before promptly getting taken down by stray fire from one of the other contests.

        ‘CAUSE THAT’S WHAT KAKIZAKI DOES BEST: DIE. AND WE LOVE THE POOR GUY FOR IT.

  9. Soulstrider said

    Oh god Exosquad, dem memories, dat Nostalgia.

  10. 1. VF-25
    Gurren Lagann has a manly pose in that picture, but the VF-25 is carrying a female that is as tall as the VF-25
    2. VF-1
    3. Zaku II
    4. YF-19, DEATH TO THE EVA-01
    Yes, I voted for all valkyries.

  11. GOING WITH ALL THE “REAL” CAUSE YOUZ GOT TO KEEP IT REAL!!!

    But FUCK YEAH Exoquad! That series was/is awesome and it stands up pretty well despite it’s age. You can watch all of it on Hulu free :3

  12. JoeQ said

    GOGOGO TEAM GAINAXXX! AND MUSTACHEBOT TOO!

    You gotta find first gear / In your giant robot car

  13. Reid said

    1. Gurren Lagann – This is a vote for what it represents rather than for what it is.
    2. Turn A – Hey, what am I supposed to do? It’s my favorite Gundam, which is my favorite robot thing.
    3. Zaku II – Hey, what am I supposed to do? Zeon uber alles and all that.
    4. YF-19 – BECAUSE FORGET YOU, EVA-01! I want to enjoy being a mecha pilot, not live out an oedipus complex and hate myself (but that’s what you want, isn’t it Anno?)

    MEGAS XLR for the bonus round. He fought mass-production Sazabis.

  14. DEDICATED TO FREEING HUMANITY FROM NEOSAPIEN RULE.

    Gurren-Lagann / Turn-A / Zaku II / Eva 01

  15. ces06 said

    1. Godspeed, inheritors of the will of evolution!
    2. MOUSTACHES
    3. Silly Zaku, you could never win against a Gun…buster.
    4. The only Valkyrie I’ll ever vote for.

  16. Matt Wells said

    WHY THE HELL SHOULD WE EVEN BOTHER WE ALL KNOW THAT ANNO’S FUCKING MOMMY ISSUES ULTRAMAN IS GOING TO CURBSTOMP EVERYTHING

  17. Kuro said

    TEAM SUPER REPRESENT!

  18. Matt Wells said

    12 days since the polls closed an no updates? Are you alright execeutiveotaku?

  19. Zhil said

    I’m worried! Are you guys ok?

    • WL said

      considering that both EO and ghostlightning are still posting on their home blogs, most likely we were forgotten. saimecha has declined

  20. Kuro said

    No updates yet? EO and Ghosty must be busy.

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